I have worked on this topic for couple of years and every word that i speak can be verified and autheticated. I have read alternate books, spoken to "genuine" spiritual masters and last but not the least self-contemplated on various modes of facts presented. I have always greatly believed in being an observer or "analyst" ( sounds more managerial ) in life without forming an opinion. I leave that part (forming opinions) to my esteemed readers. Unfortunately most of the facts that people have come from the popular folklores, Valmiki's Ramayana and TV serial !!!
Firstly I dont see these two gentleman (Ram and Ravana) as demons or gods (or avtaaras) but as mortal beings who occupied a prominent place in history during the pre indus valley civilization. while the dates are disputed but what can be inferred with their timings is some time during the famous "Atlantis" when the geogrpahical structure of the earth was different than we see at present. We all have now agreed that due to continental drift all the continents are drifting apart. During the occurence of Ramayana , the continents were closely knit. Which means one could traverse Australia , by land itself. In the alternate perspective book on Ravana called "vayam rakshamah" debunks the myths that have been prevealent for time immemorial. For example , the "Narak" or Hell was the old name of Persia , "Vaikunth" was a name of a place in Iran and Rakshasas were Maritime People who primarily dwelled on Seas. "Patal" or underground as its commonlyy known was modern day Australia because it was the southern part of continental land. So who were these "devatas" and "Rakshas". It was a clash of races and civilizations. two specific tribes, Devtas were more "European" whitish in race as compared to Rakshaasa who were colored, and as in human social modelling , color always looses to white. Rakshas (which means protection) were demonized permanently in history.
Their was a historical battle for the control of earth and resources. which is still on between these two races. So it was methodical and surgical way of telling your story. Please remember its the same tactics which British have employed. They systematically destroyed the Indian form of education and replaced it with that of Lord Macaulay's system of education. what we have read is British interptetion of history. Our "gurukul" for example had subjects like Logic, Grammer and Mathematics, the 3 pillars of any educational system but was destroyed. Its said that if you want to destroy any country "rewrite its history" and thats what happened. Rakshasas were hardworking and nature worshipping tribes and races who won all battles. Devtas were tactiticans who always wanted to win over through "any" means.
Ravana was a cross breed and had both characteristics. He was a master scholar in medicine, mathematics,astronomy, astrology . He has written many books like "Arka Shastra" . in arka shastra he has compiled every herb its usage and dosage revealing cures to some complex dieases.In one book he wrote "Eating beef cause to infect ninety eight new diseases to human beings". The book "Kumara Tantraya" (Gynecology and Peadetric Medicine) which reveals the treatments for infant diseases was written by him accepting the request of his pregnant queen Mandodari. He has similarly written many books on astrology and also created new Raagas in Music , esp in Sama Veda , our 4th veda. He was such an eloquent master that he controlled Navagrahas (the nine "grahas" aspects of human astro system). I can go on and on his scholarly pursuits. Meanwhile the Ravana having 10 heads is nonsense, he was a master in tantra and had created an optical illusion of soughts while fighting his enemies. In fact in the famous Book "ravana samhita" an excellent compliation of his scholarly works is give,
He is said to be one of the greatest physicians who ever existed, and even authored the book Arka Prakashaya. The Bisajjya Grantha and Nadi Shasthra mentions that King Ravana and his grandfather Pulasthi Muni had graced the world-famous medical conferences held in those ancient days in Janasthan Pura near Pakistan. In Sri Lankan folk tales, it is said that king Ravana treated both Rama and Lakshmana with his own hand when they were badly injured on the battlefield.
The only King of Sri Lanka who managed to wipe out all the divisions among the Sri Lankan people was the Great King Ravana. Under his leadership, King Ravana managed to unite all the Sri Lankan tribes. Sri Lanka became a secular country not subject to or bound by any religious dogma, with no official religion, language or official yes men. Not only ruling Sri Lanka, he governed a vast kingdom with boundaries extending over South Asia – and was hence named Chakravarthi. In chronological records about Ravana, it is almost impossible to find a single battle fought against another community of people in order to invade their land or usurp their throne. Not a single ‘racial’ conflict is mentioned in any of those records written during his reign, though the chronicle of the Ramayana by Valmiki stereotyped him as the most evil human to have ever existed, providing an erroneous and biased interpretation of the Rama-Ravana war.
well then if he was such a great scholar , why was he wronged ? well for this the first nonsense has to be cleared which is Rama and Ravana fought wars because of Sita, it was a political war which predated Rama. as mentioned, Ravana's maternal side (Raksh Tribes) were driven out of their own land by Devtas tribes. Rama belived in a doctrine (quoted) " The entire earth belongs to Raghu Vansh " Raghu was the ancestor of Rama. This sounds like the more racist quote ofBritish Rudyard Kipling in which he called colonization or imperliamsm as a "white man's burden". Anyways , Ravana won back Lanka from Kuber (his step brother) and turned it into riches. Lanka was an object of envy ..
Ravana and Shiva propogated the greatest theory of modern humanism which is their is no greater force than human will power. "Atma so Paramatma" meaning soul is the the ultimate or what jesus has said " father and son are one" was rendered by these two gentleman which ran odds with people who had commercialized, objectified and "branded" gods for self interest.
ravana also debunked caste system as in Vedas and Upanishads (original ones, if you want to see original Vedas, go to Germany not India.. what a pity ) as nowhere caste has been mentioned.
Raksh tribe believed in nature worship and universal identity without any bias for caste or creed and gender. The other tribes had deep caste divides and wanted to keep that alive. Ravana was a master of 10 vidyas or 10 forms of knowledge another symbolic representation of his infamous "10 heads". Ravana as a social refomer took this message deep down to other tribal areas albiet by force which were at odds with the social fabric.
He propogated "Raksh Neeti" which meant equality for all. The other rulers were ought to get distressed who wanted the demarcation to be preserved. Fast forwarding to famous Shurpanka's episode, Shurpanka was appointed as the "Governor" of the region where Ram , Lakshman and Sita had entered. As the present norm states, an unauthorized entry amounted to aggression, unfortunately, which was taken up by Shurpanaka. The famous "enticement" which again has been demonized by popular folk lore and TV serials is silent on this issue. In "vayam rakshamah" its beautifully argued that Shurpanka was unjustly manhandled. Imagine a girl (who happens to the queen) , in all fairness assuming asked for marriage is manhandled, beaten and have had her nose cut, its so unbecoming of a man. Our eye brows were raised recently when women were attacked at a pub, how about this now ? isnt it inhuman, firstly you enter a territory which is not yours, then you manhandle the chieftan ? and that too when she is a women, where is the culture ? . ravana avenged it with taking away Sita not just for this but as a political move, and please remember that he never ill-treated. My friends argue that he was cursed etc etc ,where was the curse when he could lift her and take her on his "Vimana" ? another big interpetitition was that he wanted to marry her. Nonsense, he actually had gone to the Swayamvar of Sita to ask her for his son "Indrajit" not for himself. he kept her with dignity in AshokVatika.
now the famous battle scene and its little pre history.
Rama wanted to construct the famous "sethu" and needed a pandit to do the commencement puja or ritual. The only pandit nearby was Ravana, the best amongst all. Ravana came and performed Puja for his "enemy" dutifully and blessed him. If this arrogance, be it..
Rama wanted to pick an auspicious time to start the battle. Rama needed an astrologer. Everyone unanimously suggested none other than Ravana. Heeding to the suggestion, Rama went to ravana to ask him a good time. Ravana as a great professional gave him the best muhurtha which (9 navaratris) and blessed him with "Vijaya Bhava". I have never seen a bigger human being than this. Is this arrogance , then I am arrogant, i would love to be..
Finally Rama tired of all weaponry , picked up his Brahmaastra , equivalent of nuclear weapon in modern age. This weapon technically was never supposed to be used in war as it was more of a deterrance. Ravana had this weapon as well. But seeing Rama open this weapon, Ravana did not open his Brahmastra (which he had) because he knew that had he done that , entire humanity and ecology would have been finished, imagine 2 hydrogen bombs colliding. He opted out and gladly accepted death and defeat for the larger purpose.
In fact before his death, Ravana makes a request to Rama to protect the Humanity and Ecology to its fullest !
One of thing that I have observed in human sociology, a person who questions beliefs , assumptions and values and explores truth impartially is always painted black .. ravana was just one of them..
Last time i just brushed past your blog..
ReplyDeleteBut today I am here for a reason. If my memory serves me well, you have written a post related to "Aghori Sadhus".. But I cannot seem to find it now. Actually I need to find the real truth of Aghoris. Can you direct me??
Thanks.
Honey
yet another wonder sir!! :) ...
ReplyDeleteI would like to put forward one view point in here. Did Rama do all these only because he was insecure about his position in the world. Since he was from the great Raghuvamsham, he had to prove his point. And since he was considered as a re-incarnation of Lord Vishnu, he had to prove his supremacy. So it can be that, he felt insecure with RavaNa existing around...
No, he didnt want to accept any material benefits,Even when he came back from vanavasa ,agnata vasa, his brothers asked him to take back the rule,but he didint accept at first,then later he took it over force
DeleteI would like to respond about the aghori community. I had read a lot obout them a few months back when I came across a guy who had documented them... His name is Ravi Lobo... You can find them in the banks of Varanasi. According to what I have read n heard, they are having a community at a huge house near the banks of Varanasi. But as the latest information goes, their community is on the verge of extinction. They are getting along with the normal people and doing some jobs here n there for their existence. A few of them have been jailed for their brutal inhuman display on the living individuals. I have not personally gone there though. This is just a second hand information I have - Shreyas
ReplyDeleteHi Honey
ReplyDeleteNice to see you.. Please pick up "Aghora .. part 1,2 and 3 " and read it.. if any questions come back to me..
Honey its by Robert Svoboda..
ReplyDeletei read an article where it was mentioned that in modern Sri Lanka, there has been a movement to revive Ravana as a cult figure, who represents Sinhala or Sri Lankan nationalism because he was among the first in the island's history to have resisted an alien/Indian invader.
ReplyDeleteScholar Arisen Ahubudhu is the current representative of the ultra nationalistic Hela movement founded by the renowned Sinhala litterateur, the Late Munidasa Kumaratunga.
Ahubudhu trashes the Ramayana story that Rama invaded Sri Lanka because Ravana had kidnapped Sita. According to the author, Ravana's step brother Vibhishana, had invited Rama to invade Sri Lanka because he was wanting to oust Ravana from the kingship of the island.
I gone through the article..but I have some question , If Ravana was such great king ,than why came to fight at the end of the war ? why he allowed all his relative including his son " Meghdooth" to die ? why he wake up his brother "kumbh karna " from half of the sleep and alow him to die ? I guess you are aware of that Ravana was defeated once by " Bali" and once by " Mahiravana" , the only reson was his proudyness ; Every body asked Ravana to return Sita and avoid war, as you know war will effect economy, environment and loss of human life, but Ravana ignored all advice ,Can we consider him as a leader or visionary ?
ReplyDeleteThis article is completely a different version and taken me by shock. It strengthened some of my thoughts which I had since my childhood. I always had these these questions in my mind though your (Nagendra's) view delves into some of these....
ReplyDelete(1) If Ravana is so wicked, why he did not harass Sita?
(2) If Rama is so good, then why he asked Sita to perform 'Agni Pravesam' before he accepted her? Didn't he believe her?
(3) There is another instance wherein he sent Sita to forest while she was pregnant, taking a crude/illiterate/drunken man's blabbering? How can he treat Sita in this way when she voluntarily sided her husband in all the good and bad times without any second thought?
On the other side, I feel that Ravana is a moorkh!! There is a limit to high handedness. He doesn’t know how to save his kingdom and finally he led to destruction of Lanka and its citizens.
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Deleteone more thing i want ask that if we are indian nd clbrt all indian festival so why we clbrt rakshabandhann .... if we says that ravan took wrong revange of soorpankha
"One of thing that I have observed in human sociology, a person who questions beliefs , assumptions and values and explores truth impartially is always painted black .. ravana was just one of them." .........................
ReplyDeleteSir , if I have to buy this statement then would ask a simple question ----- should there be any boundary of questioning beliefs , assumptions and values ?
In a family of six every person comes up with his/her own belief and counter argument (read west) then would there left a family concept(read Indian)?
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ReplyDeleteSir,I could not stop myself from replying to your blog. I might be late in coming across your blog but if its the fact that you have mentioned than obviously Ravana was much more greater than Ram. But I fail to understand why since the beginning these facts were not brought out.Is this the case with other mythologies too!
ReplyDeleteSir...Definitely the article is an eye opener as it enables an individual to think in a different way…an agreement with Lalith...however I wonder why Ravana was the Hero instead he was a Hero but so was Rama like any other character from the mythology. The post is all on Ravana and definitely speaks highly about him but instead of focusing on who was right or wrong should we not take the best of both worlds as it’s better to learn the best? My key takeaway Ravana perfect social reformer while Rama a loyalist (to his father and step mother)...I end with the reasoning that the power of visual representation is ingrained in majority of us and we seriously need to read our mythologies in a neutral way.
ReplyDeleteI believe both Rama & Ravana are inside us.
ReplyDeleteI behave both the way , some times like Rama & sometimes like Ravana.
We need both to handle diffrent situations at diffrent point of time.
The right & wrong may be left for interpretation of the event, which happened.
They are two different roles & Ideology.
Regards,
Manish Gupta
Nagendra, want to congratulate you on this write-up. From my limited exposure to Ramayana, I have learnt one lesson - the triumph of good over evil (you may term it as the triumph of truth over lies..etc.) I agree to the fact that Ravana was a very learned scholar. He was indeed one of Shiva's most ardent devotee.
ReplyDeleteDo you mean to say that if one does wrong, and so does the other one, its justified? The values of truth, integrity, honesty, humanity, respect, and compassion have to be upheld at all times (and for corporates, visibility). If Rama or Ravana went back on any one of these, I believe, they were both wrong. Ravana got his punishment through his death, and Rama got his punishment through Sita's departure.
Now, I havent been in close quarters when the whole story was taking place. But what I believe is that there were some intelligent human beings during those days who decided to make people understand certain things through realistic story-telling, an art which we have lost deep underneath the masses of 'balance-sheets.'
My key take away from this story is that Knowledge can also be dangerous, and good people also can commit mistakes. We are humans after all. If we still concentrate on rama and ravana right now, its akin to noticing imperfections in one's finger when s/he is pointing towards the moon, admiring its beauty. I guess we ought to see the big picture.
My 2 cents through my limited exposure.
I'm sorry, I dunno why my name appears as Invenger (which is my previous company's name) but I'm Ashwiin Kini, your student at NMIMS. As far as keeping anyone in captivity, may it be in Ashok Vatika, or on the Swiss Alps, I would definitely condemn it. Free Will is the most important gift to human beings.
ReplyDeleteI also happened to hear of a story that when Shurpanaka approached ram with a marriage proposal, ram declined politely, saying that he was already married to Sita. Out of jealousy when Shurpanaka tried to kill Sita, Ram ran to her defence and (probably) chopped her nose. But, like I said, I was never there to witness it. Nor do I know someone who has.
Nonetheles, brilliant way of looking at history (so called) in a different way. Thanks very much for this article.
Nagendra what all you said is true, i had consulted what all you said with a vedic teacher of nearly 96 years old,he also a expert in vedic science. i also came to know that in all thiruvaasagam devotional songs sung by APPAR, SUNDARAR, MANIKAVASAGAR, THIRUNAGANASAMBANDAR, there are praised of Ravana in those songs. if ravana was evil as depicted in ramayana. then why those scholars like APPAR, SUNDARAR, MANIKAVASAGAR, THIRUNAGANASAMBANDAR, would have praise him. ravana was great school and hero no doubt in it. thanks Sripartha
ReplyDeletehi nagendra,
ReplyDeletei am indeed a great fan of Ravana. very soon i am going to release a movie on ravana showing his greatness. various interesting thing will come out. i am planning to release the movie in sinhala language in Sri Lanka, hindi,tamil,telugu,kannada and malyalam in India.
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regards.
sunil
Nagendra, very nicely pointed out a different version of what I learnt since childhood. Though not sure which ones to believe. But I did have now trust and sympathy for Ravana tha Ram. Thanks for pointing out.
ReplyDeleteFirst , of all you said by that time all the continents were together and we could go to Australia by land . ( Well , the geologist also suggest the same ). But I have a question if it was so then what was the need to create the Bridge by Ram , because by taking your thesis Ram could walk to Srilanka on the Foot too . There was no need to create the Bridge . I hope you would have a reply with a good reason . Please reply on : syedahmerzia1@gmail.com
ReplyDeleteNagendra nice topic..Rama killed sugreev by hiding behind a tree and... when sugreev questioned him why did u shot me by hiding behind a tree .. should have come to face to face war...rama answered him cleverly that he is a king and it is common for kings to hunt.. as you are an ape.. i dint did any thing wrong by killing you hiding behind a tree....
ReplyDeleteand now a days people dont have the right to talk about Ravana.. because he is 10000 times better us..
Please translate all your blogs in hindi.
ReplyDeleteIf i may the whole concept of this stories are to present a monster and a god, so that it can plant a believe in the mind of people that good prevails evil. no body actually care to get the origin of such story or raise a why in favor of otherwise. we believe what we are told from our childhood.
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